Update 4/15/25: The rumors were true and have taken effect as of 4/15/25. If you have not applied yet, I wouldn’t bother. Given the spending cap and bonus category exclusions, in nearly all cases, the potential lost interest on the required cash deposits (earning no interest) will be higher than any additional potential cash back rewards earned. I consider this now basically a 2% cash back card.
Update 4/8/25: The same Reddit user has posted follow-up details, and they appear to confirm the details of the initial rumor. Please refer to the newest Reddit post, screenshot #1, screenshot #2, and screenshot #3. They appear legitimate in my opinion.
For existing cardholders, no changes have been announced. Everything is the same, for now. No $10k/month spending cap. Balance tiers are the same. Investment account balances still count. No new bonus category exclusions. Hope the grandfathering of loyal customers lasts, as we went through a good amount of trouble moving over significant assets.
For new cardholders that apply after April 14th, this card is no longer attractive above the base 2% cash back. They will require the qualifying deposits to be held in the Smartly Checking or Safe Debit accounts, which earn zero or essentially zero interest. Balances held in a brokerage account no longer qualify. Even balances held in their own Smartly Savings account (currently up to 3.50% APY) no longer qualify. Given the spending cap and bonus category exclusions, in nearly all cases, the potential lost interest on this cash will be higher than the additional potential cash back rewards earned. Goodbye, Smartly, we hardly knew ye.
Update 4/7/25: The rumors have gotten more supporting evidence. Reddit user Zanutrees posted this screenshot from an internal US Bank e-mail that appears to be legitimate. The two most critical quotes:
- “A revised U.S. Bank Smartly Visa Signature® Card is launching soon and will be available for application in branches starting April 14! Resources to help you prepare for the launch of the revised card will become available on Card Central tomorrow, April 8.“
- “It is important to note that existing Bank Smartly cardmembers as well as any clients who applied prior to April 14 will receive the original Bank Smartly Card features and benefits; the revised card features and benefits will only affect clients who apply for the card on or after April 14.“
Overall, the two actionable responses are the same as below (apply ASAP or never). We just got more support behind the 4/14 deadline and the fact that they will be offering grandfathering (for an unspecified amount of time).
Update 4/2/25: Doctor of Credit reports a Reddit rumor that the US Bank Smartly credit card will be undergoing some major negative changes as of 4/14/25. This includes:
- Base is still 2% cash back on unlimited amounts. Bonus cash back (up to another 2% for a total of 4%) is capped to $10,000 in purchases per statement cycle.
- Bonus cash back now excludes: Educational/school, gift cards, insurance, taxes, business to business transactions, and 3rd party bill payments.
- For new cardmembers after April 14th, only checking account balances count now towards the $10k/$50k/$100k deposit requirements. Critically, savings account balances and investment balances do not count after 4/14 for new cardmembers. Existing customers will be grandfathered in for now.
Again, the above is a rumor. However, I do believe the following are true:
- There is basically no way that this card can continue to exist without some sort of added restrictions. 4% with no cap simply does not math out, as I guarantee that some people are paying $100,000 in college or private school tuitions, $300,000+ in tax bills on this card, and who knows how many business transactions between “friendly” parties…
- US Bank has a history of first rolling out a consumer-friendly product, and then later pulling it from the market or changing the features.
- US Bank also has a history of grandfathering in existing customers of those products and continuing to offer them some/all of the old features.
Therefore, I see two possible actionable responses:
- Giving up on this Smartly card and not applying at all, and possibly avoiding the US Bank ecosystem altogether. It’s hard to work with unreliable people. If these changes take place, after 4/14 the lost interest on $100,000 in cash will outweigh the extra 2% by a good margin.
- Working extra fast right now in order to open up your US Bank Smartly savings account (this seems to be the easiest to open), then Smartly checking w/ bonus, then the US Bank self-directed brokerage account, fund it with $100,000, and apply for the Smartly credit card all as soon as possible, definitely before the rumored 4/14 deadline. Take advantage of the fact that they probably have to grandfather in these current terms at least for a year or so, otherwise in theory they would be bait-and-switching and might get in trouble.
Since my last update, I opened a new US Bank brokerage account, moved over $101,000 in cash, and then invested it all into the SGOV ETF that holds Treasury Bills. (I could have moved over stock ETFs instead, but I had the cash available.) I then applied for the Smartly credit card and was approved with a $25,000 limit despite my previous lack of “pre-approval”. I was hoping that reaching their top rewards tier first would encourage them to approve my new card, and maybe it helped. I’m okay with accepting the rumored changes as long as they grandfather me in on the brokerage balances; it could have been worse. What do you think?
I just took a quick look at the application page. Everything still looks the same as before as of today. I did take some screenshots in case there are subtle changes later.
Update 11/11/24: Applications for this card are now open. No sign-up bonus. It let me check if I was “pre-approved” with a soft pull (had to unfreeze TransUnion for it to work), but I was not pre-approved. That might be because I recently applied for the Altitude Reserve (now-discontinued) after setting up a Smartly Checking and Savings account to get “in” with them but was getting impatient (was denied for US Bank credit cards in the past without a banking relationship due to my geographic area). Will have to sit this one out for now, but plan to try again later if they don’t pull it quickly.
Original pre-review post:
US Bank recently announced the US Bank Smartly Visa Signature Card, a new rewards credit card that offers up to 4% cash back on all purchases, if you have enough qualifying balances with them. This is the newest entrant to relationship banking, where banks offers you extra perks for combining multiple account types with them like savings accounts and investment/retirement accounts.
The card is not open to applications yet, but you can get on an e-mail waitlist. Here are the details of how that “up to 4% cash back” breaks down according to this US Bank press release and CNBC article.
Base rewards of 2% cash back on all purchases, with no limit. Technically, this card earns 2 points per $1 spent in eligible net purchases. In order get 2% cash back, you must redeem those points into an eligible U.S. Bank checking or savings account.
Bonus rewards of 0.5%, 1% or 2% cash back based on your qualifying combined balances at US Bank. You must also have an open Bank Smartly Savings account. Your qualifying combined balances with U.S. Bank include “open consumer checking account(s), money market savings account(s), savings account(s), CDs and/or IRAs, U.S. Bancorp Investments and personal trust account(s).” Business accounts, commercial accounts, and the Trustee only (IFI) client relationship do not qualify.
- $5,000 – $49,999.99 earns 2.5% total cash back. Total of 2.5 Points per $1 (a base of 2 Points plus the Smartly Earning Bonus of 0.5 Points),
- $50,000 – $99,999.99 earns 3% total cash back. Total of 3 Points per $1 (a base of 2 Points plus the Smartly Earning Bonus of 1 Point).
- $100,000+ earns 4% total cash back. Total of 4 Points per $1 (a base of 2 Points plus the Smartly Earning Bonus of 2 Points).
Other bits: CNBC article reports no annual fee. Points will expire if there is no reward, purchase, or balance activity on your account for 12 consecutive statement cycles. Bank Smartly Credit Card and Bank Smartly Savings available in all 50 states.
Bank Smartly savings account. Let’s take a closer look at the Bank Smartly Savings account, which also earns difference rates based on both your balance inside the Smartly savings account itself AND your qualifying combined balances at US Bank. Here’s their current interest rate grid, updated as of 9/3/2024.
Importantly, these rates can change at any time. But right now, if you have at least $25k in Smartly and $25k in combined qualifying combined balances across US Bank, you can get the current top rate of 4.10% APY.
There is also a $5 monthly maintenance fee, which is waived if you have a Bank Smartly® Checking account (or Safe Debit account which also costs $4.95 a month). The Bank Smartly® Checking account itself has a $6.95 monthly fee, waived with $1,500+ average account balance, qualifying U.S. Bank consumer credit card, or combined monthly direct deposits totaling $1,000+.
Therefore, technically if you get this credit card, that would make the Bank Smartly Checking account free, which in turn would make the Bank Smartly Savings account free. Right now there is also a $450 bonus for new Bank Smartly Checking customers with a direct deposit requirement.
Rough opportunity costs with depositing cash at Bank Smartly Savings. Let’s try some rough theoretical numbers. Let’s say you actually have $100,000 in cash lying around, but you could get ~5.10% APY elsewhere and so you would be giving up ~1% APY to park your money at US Bank instead. If you held all of it at Bank Smartly Savings to qualify for the 4% cash back on the credit card, you’d be giving up $1,000 in taxable interest each year ($100,000 x 1%).
In exchange, you are getting 2% extra cash back over your existing, flat 2% cash back card. Cash back rewards are generally considered non-taxable as they are a rebate on your purchase. If you assume a marginal tax rate of 0% (this is just a guess), then you’d need $50,000 in annual purchases ($4,166 a month) at 2% extra cash back to break even with the hit from the lower interest. If you assume a marginal tax rate of 22%, then you’d need a little less: $39,000 in annual purchases ($3,350 a month) at 2% extra cash back to break even with the hit from the lower interest.
US Bank self-directed investments accounts! As with the Bank of America Preferred Rewards program, an alternative way to satisfy the balance requirements with minimal opportunity costs is to transfer over existing assets into a self-directed US Bank brokerage account. For example, you could transfer over $100,000 in index ETFs inside an IRA or taxable brokerage account. This would appear to fully satisfy the requirements as a “U.S. Bancorp Investments” account. This way, US Bank also gets a stronger foothold in the world of wealth management, as all the banks seem to want these days.
Be careful though, as US Bank’s self-directed brokerage account has a slightly higher fee schedule than much of the competition. Stock trades are $4.95 each, although you get 100 free trades per calendar year if you have both a Bank Smartly Checking account and paperless statements. There is a $50 annual account fee and a separate $50 annual IRA fee; these are waived if you have $250,000 in combined statement household balances.
My quick take. If all of these details actually hold through launch, they would be a potential improvement over the best current situation of 2.62% cash back on all purchases via the Bank of America Preferred Rewards program (also requires $100k in assets held at BofA) and a BofA cash back credit card. (The Robinhood 3% credit card is still “coming soon”.) But will it last? Even the BofA 2.62% has remained something of an outlier, but my hunch is that it has encouraged enough of people to keep a ton of cash at BofA earning zero interest so that BofA is still happy overall. Given that this new US Bank program actually offers a decent interest rate and an even higher cash back rate, I am concerned about its longevity. On the other hand, maybe this is US Bank’s big push to become a major player on the national level of Bank of America or Chase.
I’d have to open a lot of new accounts to go for this one. Savings account, brokerage account, credit card, move over assets, all for a bonus that is based on my credit card spend so will trickle in slowly. (None of these have a big upfront bonus.) Given the amount of shady stuff US Bank will probably have to deal with when paying 4% cash back, I’d also have to trust that it will last long enough to be worth the effort.
US Bank has a history of making cards and then pulling them from the market, but sometimes they also let the grandfathered users keep the old perk system. Hmm…
Exactly on the quick take. It’s a lot of overhead, and add in the uncertainty of if this will remain and it’s a tough decision.
Good analysis. Yeah, it sounds like a lot of work with a lot of uncertanties. As a simpler alternative … A little-known benefit of the Fidelity Rewards Visa Signature card (no annual fee, no foreign transaction fee and it pays 2% on every purchase) is that the cash back percentage increases up to 3% if Fidelity manages your money. Wealth Management Clients with $250,000 to $1 million in eligible assets get 2-1/4% cash back, $1 to $2 million get 2-1/2%, and $2 million plus get the 3% maximum cash back. Fewer hoops to climb through. Fewer fees. Better brokerage services. Higher money market rates. Etc.
Fidelity Wealth Management is pretty expensive though. The blended gross advisory fee on $2 million is very close to 1% annually (it is tiered based on first 500k, next 500k, next 1mil, etc). That’s $20,000 a year.
A 4% credit card sounds amazing! I had the 3% Aod for a while that just got nerfed this summer, and set up the whole preferred rewards at Bank of America.
They had a $1000 bonus plus around $200 per account (checking, credit card) so $450 seems low but is still significant considering I can just park my Roth IRA and claim rewards.
I did exactly the same thing, had the aod went to boa. I just got approved for this card. Now to figure out the best way to park money.
4% flat cashback is a little too good to be true, but definitely looking forward to it and curious to see how long it lasts.
Personally I’d still keep 100k at BofA for the 5.25% cashback on Online and replace the 2.62% with this 4% flat.
Ideally 250k worth to avoid the fees, but even 100k+ is a good deal if you spend more than $3623 for a net positive with the USB card.
Thank you for this analysis! I’d like to see it last for a year or so before I move $100k in assets over to U.S. Bank (though it looks like a rollover IRA would count).
I’m really enjoying the Robinhood card and signed all my kids up (including the 3yo). But I’d jump ship for another percent in a heartbeat, provided this isn’t a short-term gimmick. Hopefully this card and the Robinhood card are the first pieces of seeing 3% and higher rewards cards in the future.
As someone with less than optimal finances, it would be nice to get half a percent more than the Citi Double Cash card offers just by parking 5k.
That’s a good point, depending on the ratio of your rewards card spending to your parked assets.
Thanks for the info.
Not worth the hassle for me, but if enough others jump in, competitors will start doing the same withe fewer hurdles, maybe.
So I am hoping this takes off
Does the Savings account have a monthly fee with $100K balance?
Does 4% cashback will start as soon as with a new Savings account? or it needs to be 3 months average?
I would use the card to pay IRS estimated taxes. Based on your detailed analysis, I believe I should do better with the 4% card even with losing 1% APY from Primis or Fidelity (APY 4.97% now
Again thank you for your post and analysis
To my knowledge, there are no CC pays “EXTRA” reward points for payments to TAX, Insurance, or Health (Doc + Hospital) .
Anyone knows otherwise?
No fee on savings accounts with that balance ($10,000+ waives the Money Market monthly service fee). As for the 3 month average – “for account(s) open less than 3 months, the average daily balance of the applicable time frame”
Sounds like if you move the funds over at the time of opening you’d hit that pretty quick. I’d recommend doing slightly over (Say, $105,000) so that the average doesn’t put you at $99,000 if processing time takes more than a day.. Otherwise you’d have to wait for the first interest payment to help the average out.
You can take advantage and roll over an IRA. If that brings your combined balance above $50k at US Bank, your annual IRA fee is waived as part of the US Bank Smart Rewards program (Plus tier).
I wasn’t pre-approved for this card either, which I found surprising, but I went ahead and submitted an application anyway. I have excellent credit and since there is a US Bank branch about 1 mile from my house, I couldn’t see any reason why I wouldn’t be approved. Initially, I received the following email:
“Thank you for applying for a Bank Smartly Visa Signature Card.
You’ll hear from us once we finish reviewing your application. This can take 7 to 10 business days. We may contact you to verify your information or request additional documents.”
After 3 business days, I received another email saying I was approved:
“…you’re approved!
Congratulations on your new account! You’ll receive your card by mail in 7 to 10 business days.”
Thanks for sharing, good to know.
Thanks for sharing the update that this may be nerfed.
I currently have this card, and have enough in their savings to get 2.5%. I was considering rolling over an IRA of 100k to boost this to 4%. If the IRA was in basic S&P500 fund, would the fees be about the same as what I’m paying now with Schwab?
One other thing, if I do this after this change, will I still be grandfathered in, or will I only be grandfathered in at the current 2.5% since I didn’t put it in before mid April? Your thoughts?
You can always buy an ETF like VOO (Vanguard 500 index fund ETF) and it would be the same as if held at any broker.
I have no idea about the grandfathering, that is really all speculative. If you can’t make it happen before 4/14, then I’d just wait and see what happens.
Thanks. I always appreciate the research you do, along with the writings, and have been reading for well over a decade.
I semi-retired (left my full time job and took my pension – currently no job but managing my assets) at 53, 2 years ago, partly due to following much of your advice. Thanks again.
Nice, congrats on the semi-retirement!
Shoot, looks like I might not be able to rollover my retirement account. I have a 457, and from US Banks website, looks like I can only rollover 401(k) or 403(b) accounts. Darn.
Hmm, I might call them up directly, they might take it since it works similarly. Otherwise, you could always try 457 to some other IRA, and then IRA-to-IRA transfer. There are also IRA rollover bonuses from time to time, I think Robinhood accepted 457 rollovers in the past for their bonus.
Unbelievable! You guys pass on the same rumors from website to website and make it seem like facts.
I understood it was not fact. But good to know what may come about so one can be in position to be grandfathered in.
This specific rumor is definitely unsubstantiated, but there is a lot of smoke from multiple reports from US bank reps of changes that are coming. I’d be willing to bet my own money that negative changes are coming within the next 3 months, but I wouldn’t necessarily bet on the specifics.
If changes are coming, it would be good to decide if you are going to try and get in now then grandfathered possibly, or avoid entirely.